MAH vs LOW OHMS

[streetwise23]

Re: Any recommendations internal speaker wire?



G-d forbid, someone mention listening to music as a "test" of equipment. Ohhh no, ya gotta have a written paper on file, even if its WRONG, but it must be published, and an EE degree is the ticket to the truth..

What the heck will a hearing test tell about listening to music reproduction in a home environment. I want to remind you all, its FAR more complex than the simplistic EEs theories would have you think!! mah, you are grasping for straws, attacking me, when you ask for a hearing test. Its hilarious, what you are, ( which I despise ) and how you act.


How can one explain that 80 year old woman on Robert Fulton's listening panel " Who couldn't hear a watch tick", say " Whats happened to the highs" when Robert Fulton removed the fuses from his "big" speaker system, which came-in from 42 KHZ on up, and extended to 80 to 110 kHZ ???????? Resultants come down into the midrange, and any good, experienced listener will KNOW whats good and what doesn't cut it !!

How old is Bill H at GPA ?? He KNOWS whats good !!

Also, If I don't have " credibility " according to mah, please consider my two audio mentors.

My first mentor, ( 1978-1988 ) Robert W. Fulton, OWNED / RAN an audio company, had one of TWO of the best rated speakers made, on the face of THIS earth, according to Stereophile's founder, J.Gordon Holt - for high end audio.

The other speaker system Gordon Holt suggested at that time was a Infinity ServoStat system, which was Arnie Nudell's company. I personally knew both these guys, Arnie was local, would buy Decca cartridges from me, and at one time or another, I ran BOTH of their speakers in my own apartment. What was mah and Wojo listening to back then, I'd love to know. What would their sound systems sound like to ME, ( not them ! ) IN their homes, today, in 2017 ???

My second Audio mentor, ( 1988-2017 ) heavily helping me in the last ten or so years, ( as I got back into ALTEC and high efficiency speakers ), is Dennis Fraker of Serious Stereo, Livingston, MT. What are HIS credentials.?? Well, I have mentioned them more than once.

In 2005 ( Stephaen Harrell, Six Moons Audio ) and in 2016 ( Stereophile Magazine, Herb Reichert) gave Dennis Fraker FABULOUS reviews for his demos those years at the big RMAF Denver audio show. Read them. They are on line.

Mr. Harrell seemingly got "into" 604s as a result of visiting Dennis' RMAF room. Read about, and see photos of Mr. Harrell's subsequent GPA / ALTEC 604 journey, here :

6moons audio reviews: Stephæn's Altec 604 Dream Speaker

And here, below, is Mr. Harrell's assesment of what he HEARD, at Dennis's room, in 2005:

6moons.com - industry features: Rocky Mountain Audio Fest 2005

Both reviewers saying ......best sounding room at the entire show, out of maybe 200 or 300 audio exhibitors in the audio business, each year.


On a very personal note, Mr. Futon played a huge role in my life. He, ( primarily by his consistent Christian conduct ), led me to eventually accept Jesus Christ. Mr Fraker, led me to having the best possible amplifier, within my means, for me to enjoy in my home hi fi. Fulton was, and Fraker is, ....a cherished friend.


***** mah and Wojo, I am NOT Mr. Fulton, and I am NOT Mr. Fraker, but I am fairly confident I am hearing about the best there exists, especially on ALTEC / GPA, or CLOSE to it, and I will always respectfully tell you and others the truth as I know it. *****

. There really IS only one best,..... it is, by definition, singular !!! Insulting you??... so sorry. That is just the way it is. I won't back down from speaking my mind.

I don't have to prove it. You two don't even really have to understand. I don't worry much, what you two attackers think.

I may make errors from time to time. But remember this .............The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Back to the subject of this thread, the wiring information I clearly outlined in this thread, is part of the equation thast " won the RMAF show" in 2016 - on GPA 604s !! Do as YOU please!! Its nice for me to get to know you all.

Have fun guys and girls, I sure do !!


Jeff Medwin


As per Mah's request brought this over here seemed like a good idea instead of more thread jacking being my main complaint. First and foremost Jeff's argument "G-d forbid, someone mention listening to music as a "test" of equipment. Ohhh no, ya gotta have a written paper on file" so your saying subjective listening tests are equal to if not better than any scientific approach of reasonable accuracy? You have your right to an opinion yet what your ""haters are concerned with isn't that you have an opinion its that you offer it as fact; This seems to be purposefully misleading on your part and isn't helpful for people like myself looking to better there speakers in a real or scientific way not necessarily in Jeff's opinion. I honestly don't believe either Bill or Mah are trying to attack you personally as the clearly have made a point in stating that your friends find you to be of good company.

Onto Mr. Fulton's hearing test with the old lady, yet again this is a nice story, but not a peer reviewed scientific double blind study though it is portrayed as such. I doubt anyone would believe this anecdote after reading the same person also stating that a hearing test is of no use or importance in the critical listening of music.

Fulton and Fraker may be credible as far as making great equipment, this doesn't mean all of there methods are an absolute answer, Fulton was good in his day im sure but as time goes on has been passed in regards to his methods by more modern equipment and development that is the nature of the business. There isn't a single person at one moment that has all the answers and does everything right if that were the case when the first SET amps were built there wouldn't be any reason for tweaking designs or new equipment. If not following the precise method to how Mr Fraker wires his amps makes or breaks how good his amp is that doesn't say much toward the rest of the design or any one else.


"For your ninth post on this Forum, you are not doing too well." not to sure what that means? Does it seem I have to many hobbies and lack serious enough devotion to sidetrack and mislead posters on forums like yourself or is it that you didn't see the humor I found in knowing I would get this kind of a rise out of you by stating "with all due respect" and how you lack objectivity when it comes to modern science in audio.

Anyways good luck Jeff im sure you most likely didn't grasp or chose not to accept my points.
Also very interested in hearing about your amp when you do get it ready Im curious what your opinion is about the 2a3 vs other SET desigins, just wondering whats taking so long on the build.
Thanks